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 One universe or many.
Сообщение30.03.2006, 21:51 
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http://www.world-science.net/exclusives ... rsefrm.htm
March 30, 2006
Special to World Science

Scientific debates are as old as science. But in science, the word
debate usually means a battle of ideas in general, not an actual,
politician-style duel in front of an audience.

Occasionally, though, the latter also happens. And when the topic is as
esoteric as the existence of multiple universes, sparks can fly.

According to one proposal, new universes could sprout like bubbles off a
spacetime "foam" that's not unlike soap bubbles. (Courtesy Lawrence
Berkeley National Laboratory)
Such was the scene Wednesday evening at the American Museum of Natural
History in New York.

Museum staff put together five top physicists and astronomers to debate
whether universes beyond our own exist, then watched as the experts
brawled over a question that s nearly unanswerable, yet very much alive
in modern physics.

New universes may appear constantly in a continual genesis, declared
Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist at City College of New York and key
supporter of the idea that there exist multiple universes, or a
multiverse.

The multiverse is like a bubble bath, with a bubble representing each
universe, he added. There are multiple universes bubbling, colliding
and budding off each other all the time.

Another panelist backed the multiverse idea, but three more insisted
there s virtually no evidence for the highly speculative concept.

A brief history of other universes

Some versions of the many-universes concept date back to ancient Greece,
said panelist and science historian Virginia Trimble of the University
of California, Irvine. But scientific justifications for the idea began
to appear in the second half of the 20th century, when U.S. physicist
Hugh Everett proposed it as a solution to a puzzle of quantum mechanics.

Physicists in this field found that a system of subatomic particles can
exist in many possible states at once, until someone measures its state.
The system then collapses to one state, the measured one.

This didn t explain very satisfactorily why the measurement forces the
system into that particular state. Everett proposed that there are
enough universes so that one state can be measured in each one. Each
time someone makes a measurement, the act creates a new universe that
branches off the pre-existing ones.

The multiverse theory later reappeared as a consequence of another
theory of physics, that of inflation, developed by various physicists
in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

The theory solved several gnawing problems in the Big Bang theory, the
idea that the universe was created from an explosion of a single point
of extremely compact matter, by postulating that this expansion was
stupendously fast in the first infinitesimal fraction of a second, then
slowed down.

As part of this initial superheated expansion, known as the inflationary
period, the universe could have sprouted legions of baby universes,
said Andrei Linde of Stanford University in Stanford, Calif., a panelist
at Wednesday s event and a developer of the inflation theory.

A third argument for the multiverse theory comes from string theory,
seen by some physicists as the best hope for a theory of everything
because it shows an underlying unity of nature s forces and solves
conflicts between Einstein s relativity theory and quantum mechanics.

String theory proposes that the many different types of subatomic
particles are really just different vibrations of tiny strings that are
like minuscule rubber bands. The catch is that it only works if the
strings have several extra dimensions in which to vibrate beyond the
dimensions we see.

Why don t we see the extra dimensions? A proposal dating to 1998 claims
we re trapped in a three-dimensional zone within a space of higher
dimensions. Other three-dimensional zones, called branes, could also
exist, less than an atoms width away yet untouchable. The branes are
sometimes called different universes, though some theorists say they
should be considered part of our own because they can weakly interact
with our brane in some ways.

In part the question rests on definitions, noted Lisa Randall, a Harvard
University physicist who was one of the panelists on Wednesday night.
Different universes can be defined as zones of spacetime that interact
with each other weakly or not at all, she said.

Where s the evidence?

Marshalling their best evidence for extra universes, Kaku and Linde the
two panelists who back the notion presented a variety of arguments,
which all boiled down to two basic points.

One, explained Linde, is that the multiverse solves the problem of why
the laws of physics in our universe seem to be fine-tuned to allow for
life. If you change the mass of the proton, the charge on the
electron, or any of an array of other constants, we d all be dead, he
argued.

Why is this so, Linde asked did someone create this special universe
for us?

Steering clear of the straightforward answer many religious believers
would give, yes, Linde argued that the multiverse explains the problem
without resorting to the supernatural. If there are infinite universes,
each one can have different physical laws, and some of them will have
those that are just right for us.

The second key argument they presented is the one based on inflation, a
theory considered more solidly grounded than the highly speculative
string theory and its offshoots. The equations of inflation, Kaku
explained, suggest spacetime the fabric of reality including space and
time was initially a sort of foam, like the bathtub bubbles.

New bubbles could have sprouted constantly, representing new universes,
he added. Linde has argued that this occurs because the same process
that spawned one inflation can reoccur in the inflating universe,
beginning a new round of inflation somewhere else. This would occur when
energy fields become locally concentrated in portions of the expanding
universe.

Scientists might one day create a baby universe in a laboratory by
recreating such conditions, Kaku said. This would involve resurrecting
the unimaginably high temperatures of the early universe. A spacetime
foam can be recreated by literally boiling space, he said, adding that
a sort of advanced microwave oven could do the trick.

Experiments already planned could test the periphery of these ideas,
he added including a super-powerful particle accelerator to switch on
next year, the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland.

Randall countered that the new accelerator won t bring particles
anywhere near the level of energy needed to recreate the spacetime foam
envisioned by multiverse proponents. The energies attained will be lower
by a factor of 10 followed by 16 zeros.

Lawrence Krauss, a physicist and astronomer at Case Western Reserve
University in Cleveland, said the whole multiverse idea is so
speculative as to border on nonsense. It s an outcome of an old impulse,
which also gave rise to the correct notion that other planets exist, he
argued: We don t want to be alone.

It also caters to our desire for stability, he added: the universe
changes, but the multiverse is always the same. And if there are many
universes, you don t have to make any predictions that will subject your
pet theory to awkward tests, because there s always one in which the
answers work out.

Krauss allowed that he might buy the multiverse idea if it s a
consequence of some new theory that also successfully accounts many
other unexplained phenomena. But otherwise, most multiverse concepts
are extending into philosophy rather than science, he added, and may
not be testable.

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Котофеич,
Что Сахаров верил в параллельные вселенные, это я понял, а какие существуют мнения у других
российских учёных по этому поводу?

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Борис Лейкин писал(а):
Котофеич,
Что Сахаров верил в параллельные вселенные, это я понял, а какие существуют мнения у других
российских учёных по этому поводу?

:evil: Да Сахаров в это верил и правильно делал. По видимому как и все великие
физики он обладал даром предвидения. Множественность миров предсказывает
из общих соображений ланжевеновская квантовая гравитация и современная теория
квантового хаоса. Миры типа нашей метагалактики после рождения проходят т.н.
хаотическую фазу на выходе из которой они обладают фактически произвольными
значениями космологических параметров, а в более общих моделях и своиства
фундаментальных взаимодействий могут быть весьма различны. Дальнейший
процесс определяется только требованием устойчивости. Как нибудь обсудим
это детально.
В настоящее время более популярна его идея о смене сигнатуры пространства времени.
Эта идея получила дальнейшее развитие благодаря возникновению новых направлений
в римановой геометрии где теперь рассматриваются пространства инварианты которых
могут быть обобщенными функциями. Примером такого Сахаровского пространства
является обычная шварцшильдовская ЧД -на горизонте происходит смена сигнатуры
и кривизна на горизонте сингулярна. Долгое время считалось что ЧД существуют только
в виде Леметров-т.е. пылесосов с регулярной геометрией на горизонте.
Что касается мнения наших ученых то я не был дома уже лет 20.

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 Re: One universe or many.
Сообщение09.04.2006, 09:15 
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Котофеич писал(а):
http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/060330_multiversefrm.htm
March 30, 2006
Special to World Science


Из этой статьи ситуацию по поводу идеи мультиверсума хорошо характеризует фраза : "Krauss allowed that he might buy the multiverse idea if it s a consequence of some new theory that also successfully accounts many other unexplained phenomena. But otherwise, most multiverse concepts are extending into philosophy rather than science, he added, and may not be testable".

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 Экспериментальная проверка многомировой интерпретации.
Сообщение18.05.2006, 18:19 
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Вот здесь нашёл :arrow: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/week68.html

Цитата:
5) R. Plaga, Proposal for an experimental test of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, preprint available as quant-ph/9510007.

John Gribbin brought this one to my attention and asked me what I thought about it. Basically, the idea here is to isolate an ion from its environment in an "ion trap", and then perform a measurement on with two possible outcomes on another quantum system, and to excite the ion only if the first outcome occurs, before the ion has had time to "decohere" or get "entangled" with the environment. Then one checks to see if the ion is excited. The idea is that even if we didn't see the outcome that made us excite the ion, we might see the ion excited, because it was excited in the other "world" or "branch" --- the one in which we *did* see the outcome that made us excite the ion. The author gets fairly excited himself, suggesting that "outside physics, interworld communication would lead to truly mind-boggling possibilities".

Does this idea really make sense? First of all, I don't think of this sort of thing as a test of the many-worlds interpretation; I think that all sufficiently sensible interpretations of quantum mechanics (not necessarily *very* sensible, either!) give the same concrete predictions for all experiments, when it comes to what we actually observe. They may make us tell very different stories about what is happening behind the scenes, but not of any testable sort. As soon as one comes up with something that makes different predictions, I think it is (more or less by definition) not a new "interpretation" of quantum theory but an actual new theory. And I don't think the many-worlds interpretation is that.

So the question as I see it is simply, will this experiment work? Will we sometimes see the ion excited even when we didn't excite it? It seems hard; usually the decoherence between the two "branches" prevents this kind of "inter-world communication" (not that I'm particularly fond of this way of talking about it). What exactly is supposed to make this case different? The problem is that the paper is quite sketchy at the crucial point... just when the rabbit being pulled from the hat, as it were. I haven't put much time into analyzing it, but some people interested in this sort of thing might enjoy having a go at it.

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